Luis Tiant, the colorful right-handed pitcher best known for his years with the Boston Red Sox, passed away at 83 just five weeks ago. Last week, the National Baseball Hall of Fame and Museum announced that Tiant would be one of the eight candidates for Cooperstown on the “Classic Baseball Era Committee.” The cigar-chomping Cuban-born right-handed starting pitcher retired after the 1982 season with 229 career wins, four 20-win campaigns, and two ERA titles.
Tiant, along with Dick Allen, Steve Garvey, Dave Parker, Ken Boyer, Tommy John, and Negro Leaguers John Donaldson and Vic Harris, will be considered by a 16-member committee of Hall of Famers, executives, and media members for enshrinement in the Hall of Fame. The 16 voting members will be limited to voting for three out of the eight candidates; 75% of the votes (12 out of 16) are required for a candidate to receive a plaque in Cooperstown.
Although he was considered a strong candidate for the Hall of Fame after he retired, Tiant spent 15 years on the BBWAA (Baseball Writers Association of America) from 1988-2002 without getting remotely close to the 75% vote support needed for election to the Hall.
In the years that followed (from 2005 to 2018), Tiant appeared on six different ballots that were incarnations of what used to be known as the Veterans Committee. Not once did he get within sniffing distance of a spot in the Hall.
I started following baseball in 1975, at the age of eight. El Tiante was one of the greatest stars in the first postseason that I ever watched. Tiant was the number one reason that I became a lifelong Red Sox fan.
Tiant’s passing was sad for me personally. Over the last seven years, I have written nearly two hundred articles about Hall of Famers and candidates for Cooperstown. None gave me more joy to write than my piece about Tiant.
“Luis had the kind of unforgettable presence that made you feel like you were part of his world. e was a pitcher with incredible talent, accomplishing so much with a style uniquely his own. But what truly set Luis apart was his zest for life, embracing every moment with an infectious spirit, even in the face of his many challenges. He channeled everything into his love for the game and the people around him. He was magnetic and had a smile that could light up Fenway Park. Luis was truly one of a kind and all of us at the Red Sox will miss him.”
— John Henry (Red Sox principal owner), Oct 8, 2024
I first wrote about the Hall of Fame case for Luis Tiant in November 2017. Until tonight, the last time I had updated the piece was when he turned 80 in November 2020. Below is my tribute to El Tiante and my case for why he belongs in Cooperstown. It is sad to know, however, that if that day comes next summer (or in the future), he won’t be alive to bask in the sun.
We now know that Luis Tiant will not make it to the Hall of Fame in his lifetime. At age 57, I am skeptical that he will make the Hall of Fame in my lifetime, but I am going to make the case here that he should.
Cooperstown Cred: Luis Tiant (SP)
- Indians (1964-69), Twins (1970), Red Sox (1971-78), Yankees (1979-80), Pirates (1981), Angels (1982)
- Career: 229-172 (.571), 3.30 ERA, 2,416 strikeouts
- Career: 65.6 WAR (Wins Above Replacement), 114 ERA+
- Won 20 games four times
- Career: 187 complete games, 49 shutouts (led A.L. in shutouts 3 times)
- Led A.L. in ERA twice (1.60 with Cleveland in 1968, 1.91 with Boston in 1972)
- 3-time All-Star
- 3 times in the top 6 of Cy Young voting
- Went 3-0 (with 3 CGs and shutout) with a 2.65 ERA in the 1975 post-season
(cover photo: Boston Baseball History/Rich Pilling)
This is another update of a piece originally posted in November 2017.
Luis Tiant Career Highlights
Luis Clemente Tiant y Vega was born in 1940 in Marianao, Cuba. His father, Luis Eleuterio, was a legendary left-hander in the Cuban leagues and the American Negro Leagues. The younger Tiant was pitching in Mexico City when Fidel Castro banned all outside travel; he decided not to return home, not knowing if he would ever see his family again. Before the 1962 season, he was purchased from his Mexican League team by the Cleveland Indians.
Tiant debuted for the Indians in 1964 and spent six seasons with the Tribe. His best season (in Cleveland and in his career) was in 1968 when he went 21-9 with a 1.60 ERA, a campaign that included an AL-best nine shutouts. In an unfortunate bit of bad luck, this was the same season in which the Tigers’ Denny McClain won 31 games (against just six losses) with a 1.96 ERA, so Tiant’s magnificent campaign did not result in a Cy Young trophy. Still, for his efforts, Tiant finished 5th in the A.L. MVP voting.
El Tiante fell from the heights of his 1968 brilliance to a below-average campaign in 1969; he went 9-20 with a 3.71 ERA (a little less than the league average). He also led the majors in walks issued (129) and home runs allowed (37). In December of 1969, Tiant was traded to the Minnesota Twins in a deal that sent Graig Nettles to the Indians.
After an excellent first two months (6-0, 3.12 ERA) with the Twins, he was diagnosed with a cracked bone in his right shoulder. He only pitched in eight more games in 1970 and was released the following spring.
Luis Tiant with the Boston Red Sox
After two minor league stops early in 1971, Tiant hooked up with the Boston Red Sox, but his debut season in Beantown was hardly inspiring: he went 1-7 with a 4.85 ERA. His career turned around in 1972. After spending four months shuttling between bullpen work and spot starting, Tiant settled into the Sox rotation in August. In his last 11 starts, he went 9-2 with a 0.96 ERA. That great late-season run included nine complete games and six shutouts. His overall ERA of 1.91 was the best in the American League.
For the next six years, El Tiante was a fixture in the Red Sox rotation and one of the team’s most popular players. From 1973-76, Tiant won 81 games (winning 20 three times) with a 3.31 ERA. His only off-year, ironically, was in 1975, the lone year the Red Sox made the playoffs and the World Series. Tiant was understandably distracted that year by the prospects of a family reunion. Castro responded positively to a plea from Senators George McGovern and Edward Brooke III and allowed Tiant’s parents to travel from Cuba to visit their son in the U.S.
The 1975 Postseason
Luis Tiant turned his ’75 season around with four strong starts to close the campaign (posting a 1.47 ERA with three complete games and two shutouts). Continuing his hot streak, he threw a complete game in Game 1 of the ALCS against the three-time defending champion Oakland Athletics (the Sox swept the A’s in 3 games).
Getting the nod again to open the World Series against the Cincinnati Reds, Tiant threw a shutout against the mighty Big Red Machine. In Game 4, he gutted out a 155-pitch complete game, a 5-4 victory for the Sox. Working on fumes in the bottom of the 9th inning, he got Joe Morgan to pop out to first base with the tying run on 2nd base and the winning run on 1st. The fairy tale would not end well for Boston; the Reds won the Series in 7 games. (Incidentally, many reports have listed Tiant’s Game 4 effort as a 163-pitch game. Here, we’re going with the 155 pitches listed on Baseball Reference).
Tiant’s Final Years in Boston
Luis Tiant’s final season in Boston was 1978, the season in which the Red Sox famously blew a 10-game lead to their hated division rivals, the New York Yankees. What’s often forgotten is that the Sox won their final eight games just to force the one-game playoff against the Bronx Bombers. In that 8-game winning streak, Tiant did his part, winning three starts (all on three days of rest), giving up just 3 runs in 25 innings (1.13 ERA). His two-hit shutout on the final day of the regular season, his last effort in a Boston uniform, propelled the Sox into that one-game playoff, which they lost the next day, thanks to Bucky Bleeping Dent!
After the season, the Red Sox offered Tiant a one-year contract; their hated rivals offered a two-year deal, and Tiant decided to pitch for George Steinbrenner’s Yankees. In his last four seasons (two with the Yankees, one with the Pirates, and one with the Angels), Tiant went 25-24 with a 4.36 ERA.
The team’s decision to let the beloved Tiant sign with their bitter enemy did not go well within the Red Sox clubhouse. According to Peter Gammons’ book Beyond the Sixth Game, the team was devastated. Carl Yastrzemski said, “They tore out our heart and soul.” Gammons also quoted Dwight Evans, who said, “Unless you’ve played with him, you can’t understand what Luis means to a team.”
Besides his Fu Manchu mustache and his distinctive windup, which resembled a tornado and included a look to the sky, Mark Armour’s piece on El Tiante includes some insight into Tiant’s popularity, both within the clubhouse and to the fans of the city of Boston.
Tiant’s physical appearance was part of his charm. Red Smith once wrote that he looked like “Pancho Villa after a tough week of looting and burning.” Boston writer Tim Horgan later suggested that Tiant’s “visage belongs on Mt. Rushmore.” A barrel-chested man who looked fatter than he really was, Tiant would often emerge from the shower with a cigar in his mouth, look at his naked body in the mirror and declare himself to be a (in his exaggerated Spanish accent): “good-lookeen sonofabeech.”
— Mark Armour (Society of American Baseball Research)
Thanks to Armour’s SABR bio about Tiant for some of these biographical nuggets.
The history of Tiant’s disappointments on the Hall of Fame ballots
If he hadn’t passed away recently, I doubt that Luis Tiant would have been named to the 2025 Classic Baseball Era Committee ballot. There are only eight candidates for all of baseball history from 1871-1980. That’s 110 years of Major League Baseball (and Negro League Baseball); naming only eight candidates is a seemingly impossible task. It’s natural to assume that his recent passing led to some sentimentality in the screening committee that chose the candidates.
My reason for thinking that Tiant might not be on the ballot if not for his untimely death is not because I think he’s unworthy of a Hall of Fame plaque but because he had been on six of the Veterans or Era Committee ballots and gotten nowhere.
Tiant hit the BBWAA ballot 36 years ago. He received a solid 31% of the vote; that’s only 2 points more than his Red Sox teammate Jim Rice (who eventually made it to Cooperstown) received in his first bite at the BBWAA apple in 1995. That 31% tally was the highest El Tiante would ever reach.
His voting support plummeted to 10.5% in 1989, a year with a stacked ballot that featured first-time candidates Yastrzemski, Johnny Bench, Gaylord Perry, Ferguson Jenkins, and Jim Kaat. Yaz and Bench were first-ballot inductees. In the entire history of the BBWAA vote, Tiant’s second-year plunge of over 20% of the vote is the most ever.
Things got worse for Tiant in 1990 when Jim Palmer and Joe Morgan joined the party; they were also enshrined on the first ballot. Tiant’s vote sagged to 9.5%. Perry and Jenkins were third-ballot inductees in 1991, while Tiant’s support dropped to 7%.
What happened to Tiant is that, in 1988, his career was judged on its own. In 1989, it was judged in comparison to Perry, Jenkins, and Kaat. In 1990, it was judged in comparison to Perry, Jenkins, Kaat, and Palmer. Like Tiant, Kaat never got remotely close to the 75% finish line needed for a Cooperstown plaque, but he out-polled Tiant every year. Along the way, Tiant and Kaat suffered in comparison to Tom Seaver, Phil Niekro, and Don Sutton, who all hit the ballot between 1992-1994.
In the four years before Tiant’s debut on the ballot, the writers inducted two starting pitchers, Catfish Hunter and Don Drysdale.
The other starting pitchers on Tiant’s first ballot in 1988 were Jim Bunning and Mickey Lolich. So, take a look at how Tiant stacks up to the Hall of Fame pitching candidates and inductees from 1984-1988, and then look at how he stacks up to his competition from 1989-1994. We’re just going to use wins, losses, and ERA, the stats that mattered most to the voters in those years.
On HOF ballot 1984-88 | W | L | WL% | ERA | Hall of Fame outcome |
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Don Drysdale | 209 | 166 | .557 | 2.95 | 10th ballot indcutee 1984 |
Catfish Hunter | 224 | 166 | .574 | 3.26 | 3rd ballot inductee 1987 |
*Jim Bunning | 224 | 184 | .549 | 3.27 | 74% in 1988, 63% in 1989 |
#Mickey Lolich | 217 | 191 | .532 | 3.44 | 25.5% in 1988, 10.5% in 1989 |
#Luis Tiant | 229 | 172 | .571 | 3.30 | 31% in 1988, 10.5% in 1989 |
Added to ballot 1989-94 | W | L | WL% | ERA | Hall of Fame outcome |
Gaylord Perry | 314 | 265 | .542 | 3.11 | 3rd ballot inductee 1991 |
Fergie Jenkins | 284 | 226 | .557 | 3.34 | 3rd ballot inductee 1991 |
Jim Palmer | 268 | 152 | .638 | 2.86 | 1st ballot inductee 1990 |
Tom Seaver | 311 | 205 | .603 | 2.86 | 1st ballot inductee 1992 |
Phil Niekro | 318 | 274 | .537 | 3.35 | 5th ballot inductee 1997 |
Don Sutton | 324 | 256 | .559 | 3.26 | 5th ballot inductee 1998 |
Steve Carlton | 329 | 244 | .574 | 3.22 | 1st ballot inductee 1994 |
*Inducted by Veterans Committee in 1996 | |||||
#Never elected in 15 ballots |
Do you see how Tiant compares so much better to those that were on the brains of the voters in 1988 compared to the years that followed? By the way, the flood of top-tier candidates between 1989 and 1994 also took down the votes of Bunning and Lolich. Bunning, in particular, was on the doorstep of Cooperstown with 74% of the vote in 1988. With Perry and Jenkins added to the ’89 ballot, the future Kentucky Senator dropped to 63% of the vote and had to wait for a Veterans Committee nod in 1996.
Tiant never approached that 31% debut tally again; in the next 14 years on the BBWAA ballot, he maxed out at 18% in 2002, his final year. Still, in the history of the Hall of Fame, a candidate like Tiant, someone who was immensely popular as a player, would normally have found safe haven with the Veterans Committee, which had inducted 93 Hall of Famers between 1939 and 2001. But the bad timing of El Tiante’s unsuccessful journey toward Cooperstown continued.
Key stat: excluding players currently still on the BBWAA ballot, Tiant is one of only five players in the history of the Hall of Fame BBWAA ballot to debut with at least 30% of the vote and not eventually get a plaque in Cooperstown: the others are Steve Garvey, Barry Bonds, Roger Clemens, and Curt Schilling. Bonds and Clemens are tainted, of course, by their links to steroids, and Schilling probably Tweeted himself out of the Hall of Fame with his political views.
Luis Tiant and the Veterans Committee Black Hole
In 2003, the Hall of Fame decided to let all 81 living Hall of Fame members (players, managers, executives, broadcasters, and writers) vote on the Cooperstown worthiness of dozens of candidates and not one player received the necessary 75% of the vote.
The same process was repeated in 2005, with Tiant joining the ballot for the first time; again, the Committee pitched a shutout.
In 2007, the same fruitless endeavor was tried for a third time, with the same result. El Tiante finished in a tie for 9th place with 15 votes (out of 62 needed).
In 2009, the Hall of Fame changed the process to limit the vote to players only. Again, nobody was inducted. The Hall of Fame didn’t report all of the vote totals, but we know that Tiant got less than 19 votes (out of the 48 needed for 75%).
With no luck opening the voting to the entire body of Hall of Famers, the process reverted to a small panel, a 16-member “Golden Era” committee, which succeeded in electing longtime Cubs third baseman Ron Santo in December 2011, a year after his death. On that same ballot, Jim Kaat, Gil Hodges, Minnie Minoso, and Tony Oliva received 50% of the vote or more. Tiant’s total was just released as “less than 3.”
In December 2014 (voting for the Class of 2015), a “Golden Era” committee convened again. This group, like so many before them, failed to induct anybody, with Dick Allen and Oliva falling one vote shy (11 votes out of 16, with 12 being the minimum). Tiant again earned less than three votes.
It’s for this reason that I was not puzzled to see Tiant missing from the 2020 “Modern Baseball” ballot. He made no headway in six appearances with the Veterans or Eras Committees, and the aging Tiant had clearly been growing bitter about it.
“I already told my family, ‘They put me after I die, don’t go anywhere. Don’t go to the Hall of Fame, don’t go to Cooperstown, don’t go no god— place.’ Cause I think it’s wrong what they do… What good is that they put you after you die? You can’t do nothing with your family and your friends.”
— Luis Tiant, The Sporting News (April 17, 2017)
Let me just briefly address Tiant’s “it’s wrong what they do” comment. Being in the Hall of Fame is an honor, not a right. There is no obligation by the Hall of Fame to grant entry to Tiant or any other player. But he and other players have every right to be a bit bitter over a process that created a 16-year gap in elections of living players via the Veterans Committees.
Incidentally, Kaat and Oliva (along with Gil Hodges and Minnie Minoso) were elected to the Hall of Fame by the Golden Days Era Committee in December 2021.
How Does Luis Tiant Compare to Existing Hall of Famers?
As I previously mentioned, I’ve been a Boston Red Sox fan since I started following baseball in 1975. I was eight years old and highly impressionable. The first time I saw Luis Tiant pitch, he became my favorite player. To me, he was the epitome of cool. Whether it was his Fu Manchu mustache or his singularly unique delivery, there was something about El Tiante that just clicked with me. When the Sox fell to the Big Red Machine in 7 games in the World Series, I cried.
There is nothing that would make me happier than to see Tiant make it into the Hall of Fame. If he had just started his career six to seven years earlier, he might very well have made it, either through the BBWAA or through the Veterans Committee before they put a padlock on that door.
Luis Tiant and Catfish Hunter
Catfish Hunter and Luis Tiant were teammates with the New York Yankees in Hunter’s last major league season, 1979. Hunter retired at the age of 33 after what was the worst season of his career; he went 2-9 with a 5.31 ERA. One wonders if he had stuck around for three more mediocre seasons (as Tiant did) whether he would have had a tougher road into the Hall of Fame. I also wonder what would have happened if Tiant had retired after the ’79 season as Catfish did and how he would have fared had he been on four Hall of Fame ballots before the wave of 300-game winners started to hit in 1989.
Hunter’s and Tiant’s career numbers are remarkably similar.
Career | IP | W | L | ERA | SO | CG | SHO | ERA+ | WAR |
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Catfish Hunter | 3449.1 | 224 | 166 | 3.26 | 2012 | 181 | 42 | 104 | 36.3 |
Luis Tiant | 3486.1 | 229 | 172 | 3.30 | 2416 | 187 | 49 | 114 | 65.6 |
I added ERA+ (see the Glossary), which adjusts for the fact that Tiant pitched half of his career in Fenway Park and Hunter toiled in pitcher-friendly Oakland-Alameda Coliseum. Also, I’ve added WAR (Wins Above Replacement) because it shows a stunning differential. Why is Tiant’s WAR so dramatically better than Hunter’s? The ballpark effects are part of it, Tiant’s superior strikeout rate is part of it, but the biggest factor is that Catfish pitched for some terrific defensive ball clubs in Oakland and New York.
During his seven years in Oakland (1968-74), Catfish posted a 2.38 ERA at home and a 3.79 ERA on the road. That’s a massive difference. Interestingly, Tiant’s ERA in his eight years in Fenway was 3.29, which was slightly better than his 3.45 road ERA during those same years.
Personally, I think that WAR is punishing Hunter a little too severely here, and, of course, it doesn’t account for his five World Championship rings; Catfish played an integral role in four of those titles.
Anyway, you could put 1,000 people into the Hall of Fame by saying, “Player X was better than player Y.” A better argument is to take a group of candidates.
Comparing El Tiante to Other Hall of Fame Pitchers
Take a look at how many of the 68 enshrined Hall of Fame starting pitchers have numbers inferior to Tiant’s in 9 different statistical categories.
Category | Tiant | HOF-ers worse | |
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Wins | 229 | 21 | |
WL % | .571 | 21 | |
ERA | 3.30 | 19 | |
SHO | 49 | 45 | |
SO | 2416 | 43 | |
WHIP | 1.199 | 30 | |
SO/BB | 2.19 | 36 | |
ERA+ | 114 | 17 | |
WAR | 65.6 | 34 |
As you can see, this goes far beyond a one-on-one comparison between Catfish and Luis.
Next, I’m going to dig just a little bit deeper into the table we showed you about the different quality of starting pitchers on the Hall of Fame ballot from 1984-1988 compared to the quality that started to hit the ballot in 1989. This is the crux of the matter. Luis Tiant hit the BBWAA ballot in 1988. In the previous 21 years, the writers elected 11 starting pitchers to the Hall of Fame. These 11 hurlers toed the rubber from as early as 1924 to as late as 1979.
From 1990 to 2011, the writers elected 9 starting pitchers who were All-Stars in the 1970s and whose careers were all condensed from as early as 1962 to as late as 1993.
Pitcher & Year Inducted | Pitcher & Year Inducted | |||
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*Red Ruffing | 1967 | Jim Palmer | 1990 | |
Sandy Koufax | 1972 | Fergie Jenkins | 1991 | |
Early Wynn | 1972 | Gaylord Perry | 1991 | |
Warren Spahn | 1973 | Tom Seaver | 1992 | |
Whitey Ford | 1974 | Steve Carlton | 1994 | |
Bob Lemon | 1976 | Phil Niekro | 1997 | |
Robin Roberts | 1976 | Don Sutton | 1998 | |
Bob Gibson | 1981 | Nolan Ryan | 1999 | |
Juan Marichal | 1983 | Bert Blyleven | 2011 | |
Don Drysdale | 1984 | |||
Catfish Hunter | 1987 | |||
*Elected by run-off |
Tiant was a contemporary of nine truly superb pitchers. Here are how his numbers stack up against the average statistics compiled by the nine hurlers that comprised what Sports Illustrated’s Jay Jaffe refers to as “That Seventies Group.” For historical context, I’ve added WAR (Wins Above Replacement), with the understanding that this was a metric that did not exist when Tiant was being considered for the Hall of Fame.
Career | IP | W | L | W-L% | ERA | SO | WAR |
---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
Avg HOF starters | 4982.3 | 307 | 240 | 0.560 | 2.86 | 3672 | 86.8 |
Luis Tiant | 3486.1 | 229 | 172 | 0.571 | 3.30 | 2416 | 66.1 |
These nine men (Jim Palmer, Fergie Jenkins, Gaylord Perry, Tom Seaver, Steve Carlton, Phil Niekro, Don Sutton, Nolan Ryan, and Bert Blyleven) were all better than Tiant, every one of them, and by a significant margin for most. It’s for this reason that Tiant never went anywhere on the writers’ Hall of Fame ballots.
However, Tiant easily matches and exceeds the value of dozens of pitchers from the first seven decades of the 20th century who were already in the Hall of Fame before Tiant retired.
Luis Tiant Compared to Pitchers Inducted from 1967 to ’87
The next table shows the average statistics of the 11 pitchers inducted from 1967 to 1987 compared to El Tiante’s career. These are BBWAA inductees, not the lesser-tier candidates inducted by the Veterans Committee during this period.
Career | IP | W | L | W-L% | ERA | SO | WAR |
---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
Avg HOF starters | 3769 | 251 | 175 | 0.588 | 3.18 | 2255 | 60.7 |
Luis Tiant | 3486.1 | 229 | 172 | 0.571 | 3.30 | 2416 | 65.6 |
Now, look at the same comparison if you take out Warren Spahn, who skews the numbers with his 363 wins and 92.6 WAR. This is a comparison between Tiant and the other 10 pitchers inducted into the Hall over that 21-year period.
Career | IP | W | L | W-L% | ERA | SO | WAR |
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Avg HOF starters | 3621.3 | 239 | 168 | 0.587 | 3.20 | 2223 | 57.5 |
Luis Tiant | 3486.1 | 229 | 172 | 0.571 | 3.30 | 2416 | 65.6 |
Based on these numbers, which cover 21 years of inductions, Luis Tiant meets the average Hall of Fame standard for a starting pitcher. He had more wins than Sandy Koufax, Don Drysdale, Bob Lemon, and Catfish. He had a lower ERA than Robin Roberts, Early Wynn, and Red Ruffing. He had more strikeouts than everyone on the list except for Spahn, Drysdale, and Bob Gibson.
His WAR was higher than the WAR for everyone on the list except for Spahn, Gibson, and Roberts. Based on this, a Hall of Fame plaque for Luis Tiant seems perfectly justified. The problem for El Tiante is that his fellow 1970s hurlers moved the goalposts to dramatic levels. Tiant and the other two overlooked starters of the 1960s and 1970s (Tommy John and Jim Kaat, both of whom also failed in 15 attempts at the BBWAA ballot) have been measured against a standard so high that less than half of the actual Hall of Fame starting pitchers can match it.
A reminder: John is on the Classic Baseball ballot with Tiant, while Kaat is now a Hall of Famer.
The Cooperstown Case for Luis Tiant
One of the questions for which an affirmative response should confer a Hall of Fame plaque is the following: “Is this the best player at his position not already enshrined in the Hall of Fame?” The answer is certainly “no” for Luis Tiant. But I’m going to ask this question: “Is this the best player at his position over a 50-year period not already enshrined in the Hall of Fame?” If the answer to that question is yes for El Tiante, I think you’ve got a great case.
So, here is a list of the nine pitchers who are not in Cooperstown and made their debuts between 1920 (the end of the dead-ball era) and 1969 (the end of the second dead-ball era and the first year of the LCS expansion). All of these hurlers won over 200 games and are credited with a WAR of 40 or above:
Player | W | L | WL% | ERA | IP | SHO | SO | WHIP | ERA+ | WAR |
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Luis Tiant | 229 | 172 | 0.571 | 3.30 | 3486.1 | 49 | 2416 | 1.199 | 114 | 65.6 |
Tommy John | 288 | 231 | 0.555 | 3.34 | 4710.1 | 46 | 2245 | 1.283 | 111 | 62.1 |
Jerry Koosman | 222 | 209 | 0.515 | 3.36 | 3839.1 | 33 | 2556 | 1.259 | 110 | 57.0 |
Billy Pierce | 211 | 169 | 0.555 | 3.27 | 3306.2 | 38 | 1999 | 1.260 | 119 | 53.4 |
Bobo Newsom | 211 | 222 | 0.487 | 3.98 | 3759.1 | 31 | 2082 | 1.463 | 107 | 51.0 |
Mel Harder | 223 | 186 | 0.545 | 3.80 | 3426.1 | 25 | 1161 | 1.408 | 113 | 48.5 |
Mickey Lolich | 217 | 191 | 0.532 | 3.44 | 3638.1 | 41 | 2832 | 1.227 | 104 | 47.9 |
Milt Pappas | 209 | 164 | 0.560 | 3.40 | 3186 | 43 | 1728 | 1.225 | 110 | 46.2 |
Vida Blue | 209 | 161 | 0.565 | 3.27 | 3343.1 | 37 | 2175 | 1.233 | 108 | 44.8 |
This looks pretty good for the pride of Marianao, Cuba. He’s tops in WAR, WHIP, shutouts, and winning percentage. He’s also 2nd best in both ERA and the adjusted ERA+.
Luis Tiant and Tommy John
Next, to better focus our brains, let’s shrink this list down to the only two starting pitchers who made their debuts between 1920 and 1969 who won at least 225 games and are not in the Hall of Fame.
Player | W | L | WL% | ERA | IP | GS | CG | SHO | SO | WAR |
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Luis Tiant | 229 | 172 | 0.571 | 3.30 | 3486.1 | 484 | 187 | 49 | 2416 | 65.6 |
Tommy John | 288 | 231 | 0.555 | 3.34 | 4710.1 | 700 | 162 | 46 | 2245 | 62.1 |
Now that Jim Kaat is a Hall of Famer, Tommy John is the one starting pitcher from the 20th century who fell just shy of 300 wins and never made the Hall of Fame.
Looking beyond wins, and losses, however, in the modern world of analytics, Tiant is an easy “yes” to justify.
Let’s ask another question. Who would you pick between Luis Tiant and Tommy John, two great pitchers from a bygone era who were actually teammates in Cleveland in 1964? Scroll back up. Look at their numbers.
John had 59 more wins; he started 216 more games, which helped him get those 59 extra wins. He tossed vastly more innings because he pitched until he was 46 years old, aided in part by his bionic arm. Younger readers have probably heard of Tommy John because, yes, he was the first pitcher to get “Tommy John surgery” for a torn ulnar collateral ligament.
Tiant completed more games, threw more shutouts, and struck out more batters despite vastly fewer games started and innings pitched. Tiant gave up more home runs because John was the ultimate ground ball pitcher.
Tiant’s WAR is better than John’s despite over 1,200 fewer innings pitched. WAR is a “counting” statistic, like strikeouts our wins. Still, when it comes to pitchers especially, I’m skeptical of WAR. It relies on defensive metrics for the team playing behind each pitcher. The defensive statistics are calculated for the entire season, with the “good” or “bad” stats distributed among all of the pitchers on the team.
For me, Luis Tiant vs. Tommy John is a coin flip. Admitting that I’m a bit partisan, I’d lean toward Tiant because John’s advantage on the raw win total is based on the “hang around” factor. In his last seven seasons (his 40s), he went 51-60 with a 4.43 ERA and a 1.482 WHIP.
Conclusion
The next opportunity for Luis Tiant to be considered for the Hall of Fame is coming in less than a month at baseball’s Winter Meetings in Dallas. He is one of the eight candidates for the Classic Baseball Eras Committee ballot, which will consider players from the first 110 years of baseball history.
As a long-time Red Sox fan, the eight-year-old kid in me is rooting hard for the Fu Manchu mustache-wearing, cigar-chomping El Tiante. However, the 57-year-old man in me is now saddened that he’ll never be on stage in Cooperstown to accept his plaque.
Thanks for reading. RIP El Tiante.
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Chris Bodig
It would be interesting to compare Tiant to the later guys after removing Ryan, due to his low winning %
Both he and Tommy John are borderline cases, but both were a lot better candidate than Jack Morris was.
It is unfortunate that the baseball writers don’t put themselves in tiant’s position to understand that catfish hunter has similar statistics to Luis tiant’s. I hope someone reads this and tells the big shots to vote giant in.
Excellent article.
I always saw Luis Tiant as a borderline (at best) HOFer. But this article is great at suggesting that Tiant is better than many pitchers already in the Hall. He was never a first-ballot HOFer, but having Jack Morris in the HOF and not Tiant is a sick joke. Morris is surely one of the bottom-five worst pitchers ever to get in. If you’re going to put Morris in the Hall because of his 1991 world series performance (conveniently overlooking his poor pitching in the 1987 ALCS and his 1992 postseason), then you might as well throw Bernie Carbo into the Hall, too. Of course, most baseball writers who vote on these matters are as dull as dishwater.
3.90 Career ERA; Career ERA+ of only 105; and a career WHIP of 1.296 – and never once under 1.158? That’s a joke. Morris is a product of one good game, and of being blessed to pitch in front of some very good teams. If Morris is in, Tiant should be in. I have to be wonder if being white and American didn’t help Morris; hard to see a Latin American pitcher going into the Hall with those numbers.
Luis also had the “it” factor. He was one of but a few ballplayers you would pay money to see pitch.
Of the three I like Kaat. I get he hung around but didn’t pitch too badly when he did, the 16 gold gloves including 12 in row look good.
Tiant,who claims to be 80 (eighty-one Nov.23;Happy Early Birthday,El Tiante!!!!) is probably closer to NINETY-FIVE,as many Latin (and to be fair,North Ameican) ballplayers “fibbed” about their age to make them more desirable to Major League clubs.If the surmise about Tian’t REAL age is even close,he should have been in the HOF many moons ago,as even most of his “bad” years were because of pitching for bad clubs,and his great years were amazing,especially given his likely age.The Cuban joy boy was a truly great pitcher and a baseball treasure,and should join (among many others) my cousin Fergie Jenkins in Copperstown .
Had Tiant quit after 1979, he probably would have had the best chance to get in. Hanging around till 1982 propbably cost him the HOF in hind sight. But Luis was underpaid for years (I would argue that point with anyone). And it it turns out that he earned about 50% of his career pay, in that last 3 years, post 1979. Close to a million dollars. So I say the hell with the HOF. Luis and his family finally got paid and those of us who watched him (I saw him every season he was with the Sox) loved him. It was not just about the stats either. It was the heart and the determination to go out and win. Pedro had that too. I would have taken Luis over Tommy John in any game that matters, hands down. He was fabuous. And if you want to read a great book, get “Son of Havana”. We love you Luis!
Luis Tiant was the balls. Not only was he a great pitcher, he was a must see attraction. Nobody was as entertaining and isn’t that what it’s all about? Adding his stats (borderline) to his duende (off the charts) equals hofer. I’d take him in a game 7 over almost anyone.
Tiant and John both deserve it. I found this article by Googling “ Tommy John and Luis Tiant belong in the Hall of Fame” Not only do they have the numbers, but they have the fame.
Tiant was one of the most popular players of his era and Tommy John’s name will live through the end baseball history. Put them in while they still breathe.